Rowan Laxton Reschedules Geert Wilder’s Airport Pickup

Senior British Diplomat Rowan Laxton has sent a written apology to Dutch MP Geert Wilders this morning stating that British Law forbad him to meet Wilders at Heathrow Airport this week. Recently after a series of anti-Jewish outbursts, a complaint was later filed to police and Laxton was arrested and charged with inciting religious hatred, which carries a maximum seven-year prison term. It was reported he shouted that IDF soldiers should be "wiped off the face of the Earth."

Mr. Wilders who was due to go to London this Thursday by invitation of the House of Lords, received a letter today, 10 February, from the British ambassador to the Netherlands telling him that he was not welcome in Great Britain, reportedly because his visit would constitute a threat to public order.

“Geert and I have a lot in common,” Laxton mused after his recent bail out, “ I’m told that in his movie Fitna he quotes Muslims and sacred texts saying the same things that I have allegedly said and for that he was also arrested in the Netherlands. Meeting him would have been brotherly, we would have had much to discuss in our mutual struggle for freedom of speech. sarc off 2/13/2009 Update Text of Geert Wilder's proposed speech had he not been banned from UK yesterday. Please read.

Dutch Poll: Should Geert Wilders be Prosecuted? 85% No

A Dutch Appeals court recently ordered the prosecution of Geert Wilders head of the Dutch Freedom Party for creating a short film called Fitna. How do the Dutch feel?

According to one Dutch blogger a recent poll indicated that 51% of the respondents were in agreement with the statement, "the Court made an unacceptable breach of the position of a MP representing more than half a million Dutch voters".

Another poll asked a simple and direct question: Moet Wilders vervolgd worden? 84.5% of the respondents said no.

For background of this story, check out this Dutch blogger.

Here is a comment regarding the poll from Snouck from the Netherlands regarding this poll:


Xeriscapist -The Geenstijl poll that you mention is not representative for the Dutch population but for the readers of Geenstijl. Right-wingers and Freedom-lovers are overrepresented amongst readers of Geenstijl.As you can read in the rest of the Geenstijl article they are casting doubt on the accuracy of internet polls. They also mention the TNS NIPO poll which polls a more Leftwing oriented group. They show 51 percent approval for prosecuting Geert Wilders for inciting hatred against Islam.Geenstijl further seems to imply that the people who are polled by peilpunt, the poll that I used as the basis of my article, are more of the Left than of the Right.My conclusions:-all the polls are problematic.-both NPS NIPO and peilpunt poll amongst a group that is more Leftist oriented than the general population-so the support for Geert Wilders is actually even bigger than the my peilpunt-poll indicates. Support for Wilders is HIGHER amongst the general voting population than 50 percent.And finally: Even amongst the Leftist TNS NIPO poll there is only 51 percent approval for the prosecution of Geert Wilders. That is a narrow majority. I think that Geert Wilders stands a lot to win and the Government and the Court stands a lot to lose in the coming legal battle.Regards,Snouck

Employers in Jordan Try to Force Filipino Women to Convert to Islam. Women say, NO!

AMMAN, Jordan AP – Forty narrow mattresses line the carpeted floor of the basement at the Philippines Embassy, a damp and dimly lighted room where 20 women have sought refuge from abusive employers.
The room is one of two shelters run by the embassy for Philippines citizens in Jordan — a country that human rights groups accuse of not doing enough to protect about 500,000 foreigners, including 30,000 Filipinos, who are here working as maids and servants or in construction.
Jordan, like other Middle East countries, offers little legal protection for foreign workers, forcing governments like that of the Philippines to operate shelters. Many of the victims are women who accuse their employers of beating them, refusing to pay wages and forcing them to convert to Islam. Full Story: AP Story by JAMAL HALABY



Last November an Egyptian Islamistic spokesman "invited" President Obama to convert to the cult, promising him "honor and glory" if he would. If not, violence. The Filipino maids resisted and overcame the same patterned threats while living under the conditions of harsh servitude. Looking only to provide a living for themselves and their poor families, these working women have displayed a noble example for free people faced with Islamic supremacy, totalitarianism and threats. Xeriscapist Editior

"Hamas, Hamas, Joden aan het gas'

"Hamas, Hamas, gas the Jews"

The words themselves need no commentary. When after it was introduced in the Netherlands by the recent immigrants, it was picked up as a soccer chant, one group of Dutch fans chanting the genocidal credo while another team of fans wave Israeli flags. From there it began to be used in Dutch prisons, one set of prisoners against another and now to the streets where crowds marching behind a Dutch MP call for the extermination of a people and a nation state, something we find common and even expect from the various Blackstonian cultures of the mideast. You may want your minute and a half back after watching this.

Reaction for many of the Dutch to this video and the actions of this MP is this:

Palestina heeft mijn sympathie verloren.*

*Palistine has lost my sympathy

1/7/2009 Update: Pro-Israeli, Anti-Jihadist Rallies in the USA and London

World Marvels at Israeli Restraint

Not reported in most of the world’s major media outlets is Saturday’s reaction throughout the internet of Israel’s response to several hundred rocket attacks by the terrorist group Hamas.

"I never realized how many "educated people" both in the US and around the world have no clue about Israel and think only the worst about the Jews in the Middle East."

"Where were Egypt, Russia, OIC, EU, Britain, Sarkozy, US & Austria when Hamas was pounding Israel with daily barrage of rockets?"

"Most people around the world are supporting the Israeli government for protecting their citizens against the deadly terrorist organization Hamas and their rockets."

"As long as Israel's democracy and protection of its people are intact, it will always be a nation that epitomizes a great civilization."

"because the Jews of Israel are no longer behaving like dhimmis, unresponsively cowering beneath the threats and blows of the arrogant swaggering snarling Muslim supremacists, but are...oh, shock! horrors! - HITTING BACK AND DEFENDING THEMSELVES, as do free human beings."

"The pretense that everyone wants peace is belied by the words of the Hamas leadership in Gaza."

" ‘U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon called for an "immediate halt to all violence.’
Did I miss this plea when Hamas was firing rockets into Isreal the other day? Must have missed that story."

"Had Islamic terrorists such as Hamas attacked any other country or state over the last two months (214 rockets), the action would not have been as restrained or delayed."

Update 12/29 Israeli War Primer

Saudi Arabia: New Labor Law does not ban Gender Mixing in the Workplace, Instead it Bans Gender Mixing in the Workplace. Details:

A Saudi Arabian labor minister denied (story has been removed from Arab News service) that the new labor law bans the mixing of genders in the workplace. Instead it allows women to work in sales jobs in all women's only stores where naturally men are banned. So to not be confused, no Saudi Arabia is not allowing men and women to mix.

In an unrelated story, Saudi Arabia has recently ask the nations of the world to ban together to fight terrorism. In my very humble opinion, getting to the root cause of terrorism, the Islamic teachings of jihad and supremacy will most certainly not headline the minister's "things to do list." But lets dance around with the story anyhow. Remembering Sandra Mackey's book, The Saudis, (often and incorrectly viewed as outdated) I could conclude these type of gestures are more often than not followed by little action. However the Saudis are not chasing their collective tail either and now at this stage have more to lose than to gain. Can they stop a movement that in a sense they began? But the real issue is not terrorism. For them isn't it what is or is not beneficial for Islam? For free people, not under the yoke of the teachings and life of a false "prophet", isn't the issue really a question of continuing freedom of thought, speech and belief? Isn't that a much more important consideration than whether or not the Saudis can help stamp out Islamic terrorism?

Saudi Court: 8 Year Old Married Girl too Young to Divorce 12/21/08

University Of Minnesota Extension Advises Minnesotan Muslims to Buy Only From Halal Meat Shops.

And what about those who have come to the USA fleeing Islamic rule, culture and Sharia Law?

The University of Minnesota Extension's attitude?

Wafa Sultan, an immigrant from Syria worries that the oppression she had escaped is now following her to America.

Much of the advice the Extension given to newly arrived and established Somali immigrants is typical advice identical to what they distribute to English speaking Americans: Eat less sugar, exercise, tips on childcare, oral hygiene. But the Extension also informs citizens that the Koran only permits the eating of halal meat and meat should only be purchased from halal meat shops. Isn't it then easy to conclude that the shops must be Muslim owned? if not.

In the Somali language the extension recommends:

Balse, isku taxaluji in aad hilibkaaga ka soo iibsatid Xalaal Meet. Xataa hadaad dukaanka wayn cunada qaar ka soo iibsatid. (Even if you shop at large stores for some food, try to buy all meat from a Halal meat store.)

I am certain Minnesota farmers, food producers and retailers who are paying to have this advice distributed would not approve the use of their taxes to steer people away from their products or by innuendo suggest their products are inferior. I doubt few would support the use of their tax money to spread Mohammad's dictates through the Extension System.

So I would suggest to the University of Minnesota Extension stop making thiesereferences to the Koran and suggestions to people to only eat hatal meat and only buy from hatal shops or 1.) reference this advice with scientific studies or 2.) include views of other religions such as this.

Understand that many new immigrants no longer want to continue to be oppressed by Islamic law, as now propagated by the University of Minnesota.

Raiders of Bombay

As many people are trying to put a name on the terrorist who attacked in Mumbai, in many communities there seems little confusion. India had been subjected to Islamic raids prior to India's conquest in the 12th Century by Islam. In 1947 East and West Pakistan were formed out of India. Moslims predominate Pakistan (13% Hindu) and Hindus in India (13% Moslim) as it is now. East Pakistan is now Bangladesh, West Pakistan is now Pakistan. The raids continue as established in the Koran by Mohammad. Call it what you will, call it separatists, call it Al Qaeda, call it a "previously unknown group", it’s a continuation of Islam’s often and historically thwarted attempt at dominance.

Inspired by the false words of Mohammad, Aurangzeb, who called himself Alamgir I (Conqueror of the Universe) was perhaps one the greatest Islamic villains in India's history. He savaged India for 48 years. He imposed Sharia law within India, initiated laws which interfered with non-Muslim worship, taxed non-Muslims for protection, destroyed temples and works of art and forbade rebuilding of those temples and waged a continuous war of misery. On his death bed, according to Stanley Wolpert who wrote A New History of India,ISBN-10: 0195337565 2003 Edition, the aged thug confessed while dying in 1707 "I came alone and I go as a stranger. I do not know who I am, nor what I have been doing, I have sinned terribly, and I do not know what punishment awaits me." He died acknowledging Mohammad's lies.

As always Dr. Bill Warner has a clear commentary titled "Never Again, or Again and Again"

Dr. Bill Warner Explains "House Negro" Insult

Earlier this week, Al-Qaida's Ayman al-Zawahri's insult of our President elect was reported throughout the media. I first heard it on CNN from the anchor/reporter John Roberts . But what struck me was CNN's confusion and admitted perplexion as to why Al-Qaida would take such action. Here is Dr. Bill Warner's simple expanation.

Questioning Islam is not Anti-Muslim Hatred

Since not much time has passed since the hijackers came to the USA, pretending to be students, pretending to be peaceful, seekers of prosperity, when in fact they came to destroy and kill people in the name of Allah and Islam, how can someone not understand how many Americans will always feel betrayed and distrustful?

One caller on a PBS radio show tonight made a good point about Pat Robertson’s candidacy, voters wanted to know his religious views and how they would effect his presidency, the media was relentless. I remember similar questions about Kennedy’s Catholicism, Nixon’s Quaker upbringing, Jim Carter, Ronald Reagan, George W. Bush, Romney, Obama. Questioning candidates’ religious beliefs (or lack there of) is traditional and perhaps a duty. Since Islam is in most of the world where it is practiced, a religious, social and political system and not just a religion, it is legitimate to question and criticize its traditions, history and teachings. This is often misinterpreted as being anti-muslim hatred, it is not.

I don't personally know a single person who has said they hate Muslims and I would not have anything to do with a person who practices this. I know many, many people who question the teachings of Islam, who criticize the traditions and biases practiced in predominately Islamic countries, who critically analyze the teachings of the Koran and Muhammad, who may show the ugly side of historical Islam. It is analysis and questioning, but it is not anti-muslim hatred. Hatred against a person is simply wrong.

The "Good America" was in the Room

Daoud Hiri, an African now living in Maryland, was a translator in Darfur, Sudan. In his book he describes his trial in Sudan together with a network correspondent who was accused of spying. When he saw the faces and expressions of the US military officers sitting in the back of the court, he said he felt a sense of relief knowing that justice was at least now POSSIBLE knowing that the "good America" had entered the room.

The "good America" is our ideals that we try to practice, fight to maintain, teach our kids. A small group of thoughtful, committed people created America and I DO NOT DOUBT the influence a small, thoughtful, committed group can have now in its preservation.

Earlier this year in South America on a coastal road in a residential area, my friend and I were stopped by a military squad. These soldiers were muscular, fierce looking, heavily armed with automatic weapons and angrily searching for a fleeing murderer. My friend from this South American country was trembling. Nine years earlier we had been together in a major South American city with personal business at the American consulate. I should have gained understanding of what that trembling was about from that time. As we were leaving the consulate at noon, the commotion began, gun shots, something was going on but in the crowd and confusion, who could tell. That night it was the major news story. An off duty security guard was approached by the military police outside a bank across from the consulate. He pulled out a pistol and shooting began in the crowded noon hour streets. The guard had been acting suspicious and apparently was planning to rob this bank. He hijacked of all things a car being driven by a public defender, upon crashing American consulate guards subdued him. My friend was a native and knew how the military would ignore innocent civilians in their pursuits. So here we were being searched by angry looking commando types and my friend can hardly function. Several months earlier back in the United States, late one evening, looked out the window and she saw local police running through the side of my yard. She turned to me, her face flushed of color, she collapsed over backwards. The sound of her body and head contacting the ceramic floor shocked me and I wasn't sure if she was unconscious from fainting or from the fall. I called an ambulance 9-1-1 and since the police were obviously in the area, they were at my door within 30 seconds. The initial event was a situation that many of us, living in the Daoud Hari's good America would not have given much thought to. The officers explained they were chasing some kid who stole a motor cycle. He had abandoned it and was running through the neighborhood, the police just happened to tackle him outside my window and my foreign friend just happened to be looking out of the window at the time. So here we are back to the squad of military commandos. I'm in a foreign country and reading the situation like I'm back in the good America because good America is within me, it is part of me, its my history, and having been raised poor, I've been given the opportunity to raise myself from those beginnings. It really is not that difficult to accomplish in America as much as I'd like to credit this to my own efforts. So at the checkpoint, my friend knows we are not in good America but in her country and she knows when you are stopped by the police or police come into your home or the military start shooting at a criminal, the results could just as well be deadly.

Anti-Constitutional Forces Instruct the US Treasury

Yesterday the Treasury Department sponsored an introductory class for various government workers called Islamic Financing 101, (Seen by many as the introduction of Shariah Law to America and a first step toward replacing the US Constitution with Shariah Law). According to a news conference yesterday held by the Coalition to Stop Shariah, the class was taught by those interested in promoting Shariah financing without explaining to these government workers the undesirable aspects, content and insidiousness of Shariah law and its unfair and unequal treatment of various groups of people.

Shariah Law establishes an all encompassing governmental system that controls all aspects of a person's life, establishes permanent leadership and control to only people who hold to Islamic beliefs and removes any other constitutional protection from those who do not. It also establishes corporal punishments such as stoning, cutting off of limbs for crimes of theft and capital punishment for any members who change their personal belief systems.

More details of this conference can be found here.

From a Free and Democratic Europe

A group who claim to be living in Europe has drafted a Mandatory 190 Articles of Islamic Supremacy which they wishfully promote as a replacement to all forms and systems of government, all forms of self-determination, at every level, including the total domination of every individual on earth. They exclusively base these 190 articles on the words and traditions of a well known 7th century caravan raider believed by many non-supporters of these Supremacist Articles, to have been afflicted with many grievous mental and physical disorders. It is not my place to help these fascist lunatics spread their 'idea' but understand that many intelligent and misguided supporters are doing their utmost best to change your form of government and eliminate your God-Given rights and personal freedom. As the underlying political movement of Islam is continuously analyzed by a growing number of non-supporters, awareness of the totalitarian tendencies of the movement's long deceased sole founder and hence his followers is established in our collective consciousness. This group has broken with Islamic tradition and commands of the 7th century records they call the Koran, and claim the Mandatory Articles will only be established by non-violence.

Historical records show what has happened to each and every world supremest movement over time. Where else but in Europe can a group of free misguided malcontents plan the demise of the very system that supports their every need and security? Not only do they owe their lives to those traditions and institutions, this peculiar group has the luxury of comfort and time to cobble together and promote an inferior system.

Your Turn

It is not a habit of mine, but perhaps I should re-evaluate that behaviour, of recommending books to people. But I have read Islam's version(s) of just who Christ is, a failed muslim prophet at best. To us Christians, he is the Son of God, sent as our saviour. As a child I thought about that saying over and over, that Christ died for our sins and it made no sense to me whatever. I would think of this man dying from crucifixion and think of that saying, nope, nothing there. But as I crossed the threshold into adulthood, I then understood my condition and my non-relationship with God, at that point I understood.

But I believe others can express this better than I can. Christians are encourage to examine their faith. But Lee Strobel was the Legal Editor of the Chicago Tribune, not a biased Christian when he decide to take on the role of a prosecutor and as an atheist, began an effort to compiling a case against Christ. He ended up naming his book, A Case for Christ.

I encourage Muslims, atheists, Christians and others to read it but if you do not have time, here is a website that outlines what he had discovered and why he ended up with a totally unexpected conclusion.

I realise a Muslim is not allowed to examine their faith, for those that believe in God, not the god called Allah who is at best a combination of things called God within the range of Muhammad's knowledge and Muhammad's conscious and unconscious imagination , it is evidence of the Islam's weakness and perhaps the most prominent reason for its inevitable demise.

A Simple Message to Students, America's Most Important Generation

Be aware of the of powers that be and what you are being taught by them at colleges and universities. Temporarily we have the wealth we had traded for middle eastern oil returning to us from Saudi Arabia and other countries. Be aware of the influences the Saudis have bought or are trying to buy in academia and government. Question and compare the type of Islam you are being taught with the actual practiced Islam presently and historically in countries such as Saudi Arabia. Understand how Islam changes over time in its host countries/cultures. But don't accept their answers and don't expect to be taught those differences by the same power and influence that wishes you to believe there is no difference. Look to ex-Muslims, Anti-Jihadists, persecuted religions, independent historical scholars and your own faith, traditions and beliefs for guidance. Historically, it may well be that your generation will be the first to fight for freedom and survival against a foreign power with an alien ideology in our own land. It may well be that your generation is the most important generation in American history.

The Strange Effort Toward Oneness

Predictably and obviously the practice of multiculturalism is failing and will continue to fail. The Saudi's initiative to find common ground between religions is planned for the United States November 13th. As the Bible says, 'you believe in one God, great, so do demons and they tremble' , if attendees can all agree on that from the onset, the conference could be concluded within a few minutes. Somehow when I hear the Saudis promoting an Interfaith conference, I feel like that I have been told, 'see we are alot like you other than the fact we are nuts'. Other Islamic groups and individuals within the United States continue chiming in . One example (and many can be cited) is a recent Muslim Student Association sponsored speaker that parted to uninitiated students at Ball University the now very popular lukewarm view, the Saudi sponsered Islam Lite. This introductory product offer may (and will) be withdrawn soon. These thought(less) fests appear to admit multiculturism's failure so lets move on to another equally ridiculous idea, the culture of the bland. But really, what is the Saudi's purpose in this, to find common ground with infidels? Nothing has changed in 1400 years.

Saudi Arabia should first, without concessions offer an immediate timeline to opening up its Kingdom to Christianity, missionary work and Christian ideas, permit and encourage objective and open inquiry of the Koran and the life and personality of Mohammad, permit the Bible to distributed in the Kingdom, denounce the doctrine of Islamic supremacy, drop
anti-Semitism and then propose a conference, within the United States, to find common ground in religion. Perhaps then they can be taken seriously. Until then regarding any ridiculous conferences, just who are you trying to bullshit?

Somali Christian Executed at His Wedding for Breaking Islamic Law

Murders of course are common and occur everyday but people, especially Christians should continually be aware of these events and the reasons behind such crimes and how such incidents are just small pixels in a larger picture.

Muslims should be asked to continually repudiate the Koranic verses, Hadiths and any and all references and commands of these type of crimes whether encouraged or justified by Sharia Law within their Islamic political system so as not to “cause terror in the hearts “ of people as commanded and shown by the deeds of Mohammad and his generations of followers.

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Quite a Busy Day for Islamic Jihadist and their Friends

Hell's calling was answered today with the murder of Gayle Williams in Afghanistan because (according to the killers) she was teaching Christianity, you know "Love you enemies", "Do unto others as you would have them do to you", "God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son" for us. The Serve Afghanistan organization which this young woman worked with denied she was proselytizing. As such an act, (by anyone other than a Mohammadite) is against Islamic law.

The fact that this Christian was in Afghanistan to compassionately help disabled people is in itself teaching Christianity and I do not doubt that many, many Afghans were taught by her actions. The Children of God can not help but shine! Compassion, the message of Christ is the force of God.

The proselytizing of another ideology is Islam's worst nightmare. Islam can not maintain control when Mohammad's imaginary mate is exposed. Why is Islam so fearful? I'm not asking this question to provoke cult members. I'm asking myself, why so much fear? God has already taken care of our requirements through His compassion. Why the fear?

A Call for Islamic Moderation

Recently Robert Spencer of Jihad Watch, in an answer to the question, what exactly is required to be considered a moderate Muslim? produced a thoughtful answer.

Here are 10 simple suggestions of action he listed that I believe all Americans would (or should) find quite reasonable:

1. Acknowledge the existence of and repudiate the traditional Islamic imperative, taught by all the schools of Islamic jurisprudence that Muslims recognize as orthodox, to impose Islamic law upon non-Muslims, whether by force or by stealth.

2. Renounce any intention, now or in the future, to replace the U.S. Constitution with Islamic law.

3. Clarify, and call upon other Muslims in America to clarify, what is meant by the words "terrorism" and innocent" in Muslim condemnations of terrorism, so that it is clear that what is being condemned is the murder of American and other non-combatants by Muslims acting in the name of Islamic jihad.

4. Repudiate the idea that Muslims have a divine mandate to force, when possible, Jews, Christians, and other "People of the Book" to pay a special religion-based tax from which Muslims are exempt (Qur'an 9:29).

5. Call upon Muslims in America to institute comprehensive, honest, and transparent programs in mosques and Islamic schools, teaching the virtues of the non-establishment of religion, and teaching directly against Islamic supremacism and the idea that Muslims must fight against Jews and Christians until they "feel themselves subdued" (Qur'an 9:29).

6. Call upon Muslims in America to institute comprehensive, honest, and transparent programs in mosques and Islamic schools, teaching against honor killing, and against the idea -- which is enshrined in Islamic law -- that a parent faces no penalty for killing his or her own child (see 'Umdat al-Salik o1.1-2).

7. Call upon Muslims worldwide, including in Saudi Arabia, to end all institutionalized discrimination against and harassment of non-Muslims, and to allow churches and other houses of worship to be built in majority-Muslim countries with an ease comparable to that with which mosques are currently built in Western countries.

8. Repudiate the idea that a Muslim who renounces Islam and adopts any other faith or no faith at all should be killed -- as is the teaching of Muhammad and all the schools of Islamic jurisprudence -- and call upon Muslim groups in America to teach the freedom of conscience as a God-given right in American mosques and Islamic schools.

9. Call upon Muslims in America and worldwide to drop the traditional and authoritative Islamic prohibition of marriage between non-Muslim men and Muslim women, and to repudiate and teach against the idea of divinely sanctioned wife-beating (Qur'an 4:34).

10. Condemn Hamas and Hizballah as terrorist organizations, and the Islamic Republic of Iran for its continuing the barbaric practice of stoning people to death. Call upon Muslim groups to teach against stoning as a punishment for adultery or anything else in American mosques and Islamic schools.

It is the responsibility of ALL Americans, not just Muslim Americans to begin the continuous implementation of these simple, reasonable suggested actions now.

Opinion of BNP

At this time, the British National Party BNP represents Britain's best political hope to stop the Islamification of Great Britain. Attempts to marginalize, vilify, politically correctify this party by labeling it as racist has been ineffective because the British people have no other organized political movement that takes an aggressive stance in reversing the reportedly and often misstated idea that the Islamification of Great Britain is inevitable. The BNP request support from native Brits or others of original European stock only as they say but makes no claim to racial superiority, just a claim to being different, culturally, ancestrally, historically and ask why that request can not that be accepted? They ask people outside the native stock to limit their support by saying please do not support! Voiceless within other political parties, what choice do the British have? The destruction of their culture and heritage is not negotiable. Read their forums and posts, there is rarely anything different posted in these forums that is not posted in any American anti-jihadist site except the underlying and more so overlying belief in most forums that Great Britain is lost and Islamification is their destiny. There lies the difference, this is not accepted by British patriots and certainly not the BNP. I don't find them using the ridiculous and archaic term clash of civilization, but instead civil war. If anything many Brits believe civil war is their countries' destiny, not Islamification, if the political process fails. This is certainly a swelling sentiment in British society well outside the BNP. With all other political parties pandering for the immigrant vote, ignoring and suppressing the anti-elitist sentiments, how can there be a sustainable political effort to stop Islamification? If nothing else, the BNP's continued growth will turn the other political parties around, compel them listen, make them compete for BNP voters and supporters, which may end Britain's cultural and historical suffication.